X-Message-Number: 6922 From: Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 13:35:42 -0400 Subject: psychopathology I'll pick up on one point today, because it is so mind-boggling. Charles Platt (#6917) says that, if CI gets sheep hearts from a slaughterhouse and revives them from liquid nitrogen, "...the scientific community would not take this experiment seriously, and it would help to brand cryonicists as amateurs." All right, picture this. Responsible outsiders--journalists, scientists, business people--are in the CI lab, SEEING what happens. They watch a heart for (say) 12 hours in liquid nitrogen, or even more, to be sure it's well and truly down there. Then they or their relief teams watch the warmup and washout etc., and SEE the heart resume beating. Then, according to Platt, the members of the "scientific community"--those who weren't there (and those who were there?) would "not take this seriously." And Platt apparently approves of such an attitude. Now, I don't believe for a moment that Platt himself wouldn't take it seriously. I think his remarks are agenda-driven. Neither do I believe the "scientific community" wouldn't take it seriously, with some exceptions. But if anyone would really dismiss the event because of its amateur sponsorship, that could only be characterized as psychopathology, not science. Of course we are told that the Society for Cryobiology will not accept papers from known cryonicists, regardless of scientific merit. So there are indeed some psychopaths among them. But I think they will soon be irrelevant. Robert Ettinger Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=6922