X-Message-Number: 7320 From: Date: Wed, 18 Dec 1996 12:10:14 -0500 Subject: SCI. CRYONICS choices Michael Riskin (Cryonet # 7313), alluding to some of my remarks on motivation, says that the best strategies (for increasing pleasure and reducing pain over time) are "quite elusive" because of the uncertainties involved. Of course this is true, but that should not be allowed to obscure the needs and potentials for calculation and research. Values and life strategy and tactics may not represent the deepest of problems, but certainly the most important, and among the least appreciated. Very, very few scientists and philosophers even admit the problem is amenable to scientific investigation, thus conveniently avoiding any agonizing reappraisal of their own mind-sets and indoctrinations. The problem has several levels and several categories--some so difficult that one may be tempted to throw up his hands and just back away from it. Well, surrender has its temptations, and even its rewards. Dostoyevsky: "Men prefer peace, even death, to freedom of choice in the knowledge of good and evil." But struggle, honesty, and independence sometimes offer more in the long run. The basic choice is to be an adult or a thumb-sucker, to live with uncertainty or to hide under the covers. Results are not guaranteed; in the end, the "contented cow" may have the better of it. But those who want the maximum realistic degree of control and future satisfaction have to work and struggle for it. Some of the decision problems can be attacked right now, by anyone, just by education and introspection. You must accept that "selfishness" is the only motivation that is PHYSICALLY POSSIBLE (excluding certain highly speculative and tenuous suggestions about the nature of the world). But you must also appreciate the complexities, subtleties, and feedbacks that make simplistic approaches, such as classical hedonism, foolish. You must also recognize that changing your values--changing yourself--can in many cases only be done gradually, by successive iteration. One of things easiest to do--in principle--is just to review the weights you assign to improvement in feel-good as a function of time. Nearer-term satisfactions are appropriately assigned more value than more distant satisfactions--but not as much more as is usually the case. Again, a more nearly adult viewpoint will often assign more weight (than is usually the case) to the more distant and more problematic satisfactions. The underlying problems of the physiology of values need more than speculation or reasoning; they need laboratory research. We need to know the mechanics of feel-good, of subjectivity. Presumably feelings began on an evolutionary basis and related to the basics such as the need to approach food and avoid danger. But now a basic need can be overridden just by a thought, e.g. by a desire to prove oneself or even just to indulge a habit. Our actual choices or actions--as opposed to our motivations--have several determinants. Lorenz' "parliament of instincts" is in constant turmoil; a full understanding of the physiology of feeling may allow us to impose order and choose optimum strategies.....But we don't have to wait for that. There is a great deal that anyone can do, right now, given the insight and the will. Robert Ettinger Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=7320