X-Message-Number: 7708
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 09:44:19 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Visser reminders

Regarding the Visser work, a couple of quick reminders:

Rat hearts: Regardless of shortcomings and inconsistency--and whether or not
her procedures will prove useful for other and larger organs--a number of us
saw five hearts (three in September and two on Jan. 31) beat (in varying
degree) after a minute or so in liquid nitrogen, immersed or conceivably only
partially immersed. That is new. I don't think any of her critics can do the
same with their methods, or have claimed to be able to do so! Think about

AIDS: First, there WERE toxicity tests. Second, there WERE reported objective
indicia of benefit, such as dramatic reduction of viral count and dramatic
improvement of T-cell count. Third, patient testimonials included verifiable
observations such as disappearance of boils. Fourth, as far as I know, the
critics of Mrs. Visser and her medical colleagues in South Africa have NOT
denied the evidence of efficacy, have NOT shown any defect in those records.
Think  about that. 

Robert Ettinger
Cryonics Institute

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