X-Message-Number: 7780 Date: Sat, 01 Mar 1997 01:26:32 -0800 From: Paul Wakfer <> Subject: CryoSpan: DNA Storage & Cloning DNA Storage Even before the recent cloning news, there had been several inquiries to CryoSpan concerning the possibility of storage of human or animal tissue samples or other cells mainly for the purpose of capturing and saving the DNA. For some time, I have been considering this, possibly the storage of placental blood, and the storage of those cryopreserved embryo's which have been "abandoned" or are no longer wanted by their biological progenitors. Since CryoSpan is in the business of long-term cryogenic storage of biological material, these are all areas of cryopreservation which might increase business and allow the stability of scale economies and a reasonable yearly income to be reached sooner than through remaining a cryonics-only provider. On the other hand, all of CryoSpan's current methods are geared to handling fairly large containers of cryopreserved material and keeping it under liquid nitrogen indefinitely. We are not geared to short-term or in-out storage, nor the introduction of new storage material frequently and in tiny containers. Furthermore, the principals of CryoSpan have little knowledge or expertise in medical or cryobiological matters -- excellence in the cooling of biological material from -79'C to -196'C its efficient long term storage requires mostly good physics, engineering and business knowledge and experience. Some weeks ago, however, I did confer with Mike Darwin concerning the subject of cryopreservation and storage of DNA samples. CryoSpan does already maintain what, it hopes, are DNA containing materials from three humans and one animal. I wish to stress here that these are *not* counted as cryonics patients, even though the only recoverable portion of some of our cryonics patients may turn out to be the DNA. Mike and I came up with the following plan which has not yet been implemented partly because it relies on his very busy time to do it and partly because I have not yet perceived sufficient demand to make it worthwhile. I believe the following description of how things would work is correct. I am sure that Mike Darwin will correct me in any details which I have wrong. If this plan is developed and implemented, CryoSpan will market for about $300 the following package: 1) Upon receipt of an order and $300 check, CryoSpan would ship a dry ice shipping container to the client containing a cold pack (water-ice temperature), cryoprotectant, syringes, cryovials and instructions. 2) for males, the simplest method of providing a DNA sample will be from semen (which consists of fluid containing nucleated cells, not just sperm which, of course, do *not* contain the complete DNA but only one half). 3) for females (or males who cannot, or do not wish to produce semen), the simplest method would seem to be blood (which contains nucleated white cells -- the red cells are not). 4) thus there would be two different container contents and the client would specify one type or the other. 5) the client (with the help of her/his doctor in the case of a blood sample) would follow the instructions, fill out the paper work, produce the sample, mix in the cryopreservative, place the result into a bar coded cryovial and seal it, place the sample into the shipping container with dry ice and return ship it to CryoSpan for permanent storage. 6) CryoSpan will have to develop an efficient and foolproof identifying, tracking, and storage system for these small specimens. Received specimens will first be cooled appropriately to -196'C. They will then probably be kept in smaller auxiliary dewars and transferred periodically to our larger permanent and more efficient storage dewars full racks at a time. 7) The fee charged will pay for the package described above, the cooling of the sample to LN2 temperature (-196'C), and the perpetual safe storage of the sample at CryoSpan. Since the time of removal (or even the *fact* of removal), and certainly the disposition of the sample on removal cannot be determined at this time, I have decided not to charge for removal and further processing as part of the initial fee. 8) In addition, there will be no capitalization (in a trust) by CryoSpan of any part of the fee which pays for this storage. CryoSpan will use the funds to strengthen its business, and the client will simply have to rely on the contractual obligations of CryoSpan and the honor and good business sense of its owners. If any cryonics organizations wish to take part in this business, contract with CryoSpan for storage, and keep part of the funds in trust making a yearly payment to CryoSpan, I would certainly welcome that. However, I believe that the small size of the individual funding units make this unreasonable and unlikely. I ask all those who would be interested in DNA storage for themselves and/or relatives to contact me by private email and let me know the number of storage packages they would be willing to purchase at the $300 level described above. Cloning While, as stated above, CryoSpan does have human and animal DNA stored at its premises (besides its cryonics patients), it has no obligations to the clients involved (who, in effect, are the owners of the DNA and its holding material) to do anything but to release the material to them for a small exit charge, upon their request. It is entirely up to the particular clients involved whether and when they wish to do anything relating to a clone of the stored individual or animal. Furthermore, I do not believe that would be correct for me to even broach the subject with these clients. -- Paul -- CryoSpan, Inc. -low cost, secure cryogenic storage of biological material 1313 N Market St. Suite 3410, Wilmington, DE 19801-1151 Email: Voice/Fax:909-481-4433 Pager:800-805-2870 Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=7780