X-Message-Number: 7796 From: (Thomas Donaldson) Subject: Re: CryoNet #7782 - #7790 Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 23:10:13 -0800 (PST) Hi! Re Pizer's article: Wow! He certainly states the matter without compromise. I would add this: I've said before that we should consider our suspension patients either not dead at all, or people for whom the question of whether or not they remain alive is yet unanswered. It is not biological death that should concern us (whatever that may mean). It is the loss of that information in a patient's brain which makes that patient who he or she was. And so long as his/her brain remains more or less intact, even including damage to cell membranes, we have a prospect of recovering that information. It is that information which is our Soul. And it fits most of the notions about souls: it is not material, for instance. It characterizes each one of us, and contains not only information in the sense of our memories but our feelings and responses too. The one point on which it differs is that we do not yet have a way to preserve it separately from our body. And finally, any Christian does have a DUTY before God to preserve him or herself as long as possible. If we are right, and he/she simply is NOT dead when the doctors of 1997 declare them to be so, then that duty extends to cryonics. It's not our purpose to freeze dead people but to freeze those who remain alive but who would otherwise die. Long long life, Thomas Donaldson Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=7796