X-Message-Number: 7832 Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 20:04:51 -0800 (PST) From: John K Clark <> Subject: Moaning about Cloning -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- On Sun, 9 Mar 1997 Chris Benatar <> Wrote: >Another myth is that women do not need men in the cloning process. That's no myth, that's fact. >An egg and a sperm cell (from a MAN) are needed to produce the >embryo. No, test tube fertilization of humans has been around for 20 years, but this is something new, something revolutionary. Recipe to clone a human: Take an egg cell from a female and remove the DNA, take a cell, any cell except a red blood cell, from the person you want to clone and put it in a test tube for 5 days, only feed the cell 5% of the food it normally uses so it goes into a state of quiescence, place the sleeping cell next to the egg that has been robed of its DNA, give them a small jolt of electricity so the two merge and watch them divide, when they reach the 8 or 16 cell stage transfer them to the womb of the host mother, simmer for 9 months. Sperm is in no way involved in any of this, as far as reproduction is concerned men are as obsolete as vacuum tubes. >As to artificial wombs and using other animal wombs, this may all be >possible someday It's probably possible now, already horses have given birth to test tube zebras. It would be interesting to know if a human egg cell is really needed to clone a person, one from an animal such as a cow might work. Of course, then the human clone would have cow mitochondria DNA, but that might not be a problem. It could turn out that a woman is not needed for reproduction either. I don't see how having a DNA sample would help anyone when they try to recover you from suspension. If you are suspended they would be able to get a perfect copy of all your DNA even if your body suffered massive genetic damage, since each cell has a complete copy and they would have many trillions to work with. One more cell would not be important. Nevertheless it might be of value, despite all your best intentions you might end up not being put in cryonic suspension at all, you could be lost at sea and the DNA sample all that remains of you. I realize that a clone made with such DNA would have none of your memories so it would be a poor sort of immortality, but it would be better than nothing. Contrary to popular opinion survival is probably not a all or nothing matter. John K Clark -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.i iQCzAgUBMyTVfn03wfSpid95AQH1hATwjJ8KBq2vgJr6Mi4Ft5moZDA+sFDYsz56 a4Z3tkDYjBFg9JRg4muvXxpoKKJ21/gzzMTXW+E6sfH1y9uXeSykhzX71rKHGG35 0wlbVqNgqZ5QS8iIaBvK9kbMzMe+8jrcDU0KiSHbE/myAMxMyuIVY0K8cfhnmC4R Ipj1wDYzUgxQOK21glLSaz3I7GZLOVC8M/espdIaBb5hi9LVR6s= =QwLm -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=7832