X-Message-Number: 8082 Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 21:42:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug Skrecky <> Subject: CRYONICS 6'th update on fly longevity experiments This is the sixth update on my fly experiments. On day 77 all flies from the first run had expired. The two modest winners were forskolin and NADH. Since there was no control bottle it is not certain that either of these was actually increasing life span. First Run Survival Supplement DAY 21 DAY 31 DAY 43 DAY 56 DAY 67 Day 77 alpha lipoic 45% 22% 11% 0% 0% 0% Biotin 38 12 0 0 0 0 CLA 43 0 0 0 0 0 Forskolin 90 80 80 50 10 0 Glutamine 100 17 17 17 0 0 Lycopene 100 100 60 20 0 0 NADH 86 86 86 57 14 0 Pregnenolone 100 75 37 12 0 0 Pyroglutaminc 62 50 25 12 0 0 RNA 57 0 0 0 0 0 Xanthophyll 62 75 25 12 12 0 During the day 21 census for the second run I found one extra fly each in the acetylcarnitine and clove bottles. Hopefully all the flies in the bottles have now been discovered. One remarkable finding is that there was no additional mortality in the control, nicotinamide, coenzyme Q10, basil, chlorophyll, cloves, dextromethorphan, fenugreek, leucoanthocyanin and rosemary bottles. This tends to support my hunch that pathogens were causing the early mortality. Since the bottles in this run are newer, they are probably cleaner than the breeding bottles the flies were derived from. I was originally going to start some more breeding bottles and adding thyme to help keep the bacteria under control. However since I did not know anything about the long term toxicity of thyme I decided to delay starting more breeding bottles until a second census had been completed. I think the significant decrease in survival in the cumin (100% to 57%), oregano (88% to 50%), caraway (67% to 33%) and ginger (67% to 17%) bottles may reflect a direct toxic action of these spices. Only the coenzyme Q10 and chlorophyll bottles are now maintaining 100% survival. Second Run Survival Supplement DAY 11 DAY 21 Control 63% 63% Nicotinamide 86 86 Coenzyme Q10 100 100 Nicotinamide/CoQ10 86 57 Acetylcarnitine 86 63 ALC/COQ10 100 86 Basil 80 80 Bromelain 78 67 Caraway 67 33 Chlorophyll 100 100 Cloves 83 86 Cumin 100 57 Curcumin 71 57 Dextromethorphan 83 83 Fenugreek 80 80 Ginger 67 17 Green Tea 100 83 Leucoanthocyanins 86 86 Mace 71 57 Nutmeg 71 57 Oregano 88 50 Rosemary 90 90 Sage 100 75 Thyme 100 88 Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=8082