X-Message-Number: 8178 Date: Mon, 5 May 1997 03:01:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug Skrecky <> Subject: 8'th update on fly longevity experiments This is the eighth update on my fly experiments. The highest survival is now in the sage bottle (62%). followed by cumin & nicotinamide at 43% and basil at 40%. With a 25% survival the control bottle is now doing better than many others. The high attrition between the day 31 and 42 census I attribute mostly to aging. The flies for this run were derived from old breeding bottles, which were originally started on February 5'th. Since this run was started on March 24'th, some of the flies may have been already middle aged by then. For an explanation of the bracketed numbers please refer to the text below. Second Run Survival Supplement DAY 11 DAY 21 DAY 31 DAY 42 Control 63% 63% 38% 25%(38%) Nicotinamide 86 86 86 43 (86) Coenzyme Q10 100 100 57 0 Nicotinamide/CoQ10 86 57 29 0 Acetylcarnitine 86 63 38 12 ALC/COQ10 100 86 43 14 Basil 80 80 80 40 (80) Bromelain 78 67 56 11 Caraway 67 33 17 17 Chlorophyll 100 100 67 14 (67) Cloves 83 86 57 0 Cumin 100 57 71 43 (50) Curcumin 71 57 29 14 Dextromethorphan 83 83 67 33 Fenugreek 80 80 40 20 (60) Ginger 67 17 0 0 Green Tea 100 83 67 33 Leucoanthocyanins 86 86 57 14 Mace 71 57 29 0 Nutmeg 71 57 57 29 (57) Oregano 88 50 25 0 Rosemary 90 90 64 10 (70) Sage 100 75 75 62 Thyme 100 88 25 12 (62) One major defect in this run is a phenonmina I call crack trapping. This occurs because I added less water to the fly food than during the first run. When the food further dries it pulls away from the side of the bottle and opens up a narrow crevasse or crack that flies seem to get trapped in and then die. I do not know whether these would have died or not if more water had been added, so to document this uncertainty I have indicated what the survival would be if all trapped flies were regarded as being still alive. The adjusted survival figuare is given in brackets. In many bottles no flies were trapped, but in the basil, chlorophyll, fenugreek, nicotinamide, rosemary & thyme bottles this is a major confounding variable. The reason this happened was due to my following the instructions on the fly food package - silly me. This recommended that equal volumes of 4-24 medium and water be added together, which is what I did in the first run, where no crack trapping occurred. However it also advised that in large bottles, with larger amounts of medium being used, that less water be used. I discovered the reason for this addendum the hard way. Adding too much water to breeding bottles results in flies drowning as pools of water form after a lot of breeding has occurred and used up much of the medium. It seems that flies themselves have a smaller percentage water than that in the medium. This worry does not apply to my life span test bottles, since enough taurine larvicide is added to prevent any breeding. The moral seems to be to add less water to breeding bottles, but continue using a 1-to-1 food/water volume ratio for test bottles. Live and learn. Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=8178