X-Message-Number: 8218 From: (Thomas Donaldson) Subject: Re: CryoNet #8203 - #8204 Date: Sat, 17 May 1997 21:57:19 -0700 (PDT) Hi again! Deep Blue was a very good programming effort, for which the programmers involved (and if they consulted any other grandmasters to write the program, the chess people involved) did a very good job. Well, my hand calculator can add up a long string of numbers much faster than I can, and (given that my finger doesn't slip) more accurately too. Given the rules of chess, we have no more than a very big job of calculation. Certainly it will require some heuristics, as do many computer calculations. I'm sure that the men and women doing the programming thought long and hard about how they could prune the tree of POSSIBLE moves to get down to a set of GOOD moves. As for a mind, the mind that Kasparov saw was that of the programmers, no more and no less. Ho hum. Much simpler programs can convince some who face them that they are talking to a person ... can and have. I would be the last to claim that we cannot build DEVICES which will really be intelligent, just as we are. I'm a whole lot more doubtful that we can make COMPUTERS --- at least in the present sense of the word --- very intelligent at all. As for making those devices, it seems not only unwise but cruel --- cruel to the devices, which would have a human brain and human desires in a body incapable of satisfying them. But after all, human beings have done many cruel things in the past, so why not this one? As for the uses of similar devices, which are NOT like us because they have no desires, I'm sure that such devices will become very useful. Without desires they will have no consciousness. Since they are built for our use rather than their own, a lack of desires is important. No doubt they will be a great help to us on many different occasions and situations, extending our brains just as the invention of speech, writing, printing, and all those other inventions have done. Long long life, Thomas Donaldson Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=8218