X-Message-Number: 823
Date: 13 May 92 02:15:19 EDT
From: Thomas Donaldson <>
Subject: Re: cryonics: #818 - #819

Dear Tim:
Even if we can show it isn't the empty set, I doubt that we can produce
the volume of papers he requires. The person to whom you refer, of course,
has missed the point of cryonics entirely. That's too bad for him.

I don't think Paul Segall is on the net, but perhaps Ed Swank may be able
to help. Apparently Paul has published at least one article on his 
experiments with dogs (MOTIVATED of course by an interest in human cryonic
suspension). I also understand that all the work Mike Darwin and Jerry
Leaf did is in the course of being written up, with submission to a journal
OTHER THAN CRYOBIOLOGY intended. I don't know to what degree this process
has been slowed down by Jerry's own suspension and its aftermath.

For what it's worth (and I doubt that your "incredibly unpleasant person"
would be very moved by this) Charles Olson published an article suggesting
the essentials of the cryonics idea (I believe he was proposing embalming
as the mode of storage) a few years ago in MEDICAL HYPOTHESES --- a some-
what deviant medical journal.

				Thomas Donaldson

Date: 13 May 92 02:19:26 EDT
From: Thomas Donaldson <>
Subject: Re: cryonics: #820 - #821

Unfortunately, as I understand Timothy Freeman's question (as passed on
by him from an unnamed individual on sci.med) what is wanted by some 
is not scientific research indirectly supporting cryonics, but instead
scientific research reporting work on cryonic suspension of human beings.
Hmmm. (Could we get the individual in question to volunteer?).
			Thomas Donaldson

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