X-Message-Number: 8501 From: (Thomas Donaldson) Subject: Re: CryoNet #8474 - #8475 Date: Fri, 29 Aug 1997 09:56:35 -0700 (PDT) For John K Clark: First of all, with biotechnology I think the split between bio- and (say) electronic technology becomes meaningless. The crucial issue in computer playing of various intellectual games (chess, go, etc) is not the substrate on which the computing is performed but the organization of the computer. If you find yourself 100 years from now doing computations on a computer based on DNA you will know what I mean. I hope the point is clear even now. Second, the mode in which computers work differs from that in which human beings work --- we are organized differently. Computers are designed to carry out a sequence of commands provided by their programmer, and do so fully and accurately. These commands often involve math computations, but need not; they may simply be logical computations, for instance. And yes, a sufficiently powerful computer can compute all the different possibilities for a chess move much better than human beings can. Does this mean anything? I will note that both human beings and other biologic- al entities evolved to optimize their adaptation to the world around them; computers were constructed specifically to perform a class of tasks for us. Not only that, but no animal or plant has yet evolved equivalent computational ability to a computer: suggesting that for living in our environment, all those computational abilities just haven't been very useful. Sure, some very specialized computational abilities have turned out very useful for animals, but not the kind of general ability shown by computers. If there is a contest at all it is between the programmers, who now get to compete with their chess programs. Computers have exceeded the computational abilities of human beings almost from the time of their invention. To produce one more instance of this just emphasizes that we are different from computers. We can't normally fly, either, nor can we survive for long underwater, nor can we move very fast on land. Unlike other animals, we make tools and devices which let us do these things. And so, with computers, we have made devices which let us compute much faster and at much higher volume than we can do naturally. The programmers must have studied hard, and come up with some new methods, to create their chess program. They merit praise, and lots of it. As for the computer, it is just a tool. Long long life, Thomas Donaldson Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=8501