X-Message-Number: 8974 From: Thomas Donaldson <> Subject: Re: CryoNet #8965 - #8966 Date: Tue, 6 Jan 1998 21:48:34 -0800 (PST) To Randy Smith: I know Biotime and its researchers quite well. The news article, whether by deliberate action of someone involved or not, has confused several issues. Hextend is a good solution for taking medical patients down to low temperatures just above 0 C. They have tested Hextend on baboons. However, the idea of taking baboons down to liquid nitrogen temperatures, or any temperatures low enough for storage for more than 12 hours, is presently a dream only. At a Conference just in December 1997, Paul Segal described experiments attempting to use Hextend and cryoprotectants to take guinea pigs down low enough to freeze. They were not able to revive the guinea pigs to a healthy state: all came back with widespread brain, heart, and organ damage, and did not survive for very long. I do not wish to denigrate Hextend. It may prove to be very useful for medical purposes, greatly extending the time in which an operation may be done on the brain or the heart. Taking the temperature down to the required level WITHOUT removing the blood has proven to be fatal too often --- and that required level is still above freezing. Hextend may even help in reviving people after the so-called "five minute limit": other research, not done by Biotime, suggests that lowering the temperature has lots of unexpected favorable effects and looks like it really will allow revivals to full consciousness if circulation and breathing have stopped at normal temperature for as long as 15 minutes. But Biotime is still nowhere near suspended animation as seen in science fiction or cryonics. Best and long long life, Thomas Donaldson Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=8974