X-Message-Number: 8977 From: Ettinger <> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 1998 09:42:43 EST Subject: Prometheus questions Paul Wakfer's message #8975, intended to clarify the status and goals of the Prometheus Project, leaves me puzzled. I don't fault Paul for changing his mind or plans from time to time, as realism may dictate, and I admire his zeal and determination. But I think it will help his efforts, in the end, if certain questions are clearly resolved--in particular, the for-profit question and that of relations with 21st Century Medicine. Paul says the for-profit approach has not been abandoned, yet money is being collected for which IRS tax deductibility is expected. The money is being collected by a "charitable trust," the Full Length Life Society (FLLS), and will be disbursed to an unincorporated business trust, the Life On Hold Trust (LOHT). Eventually, if distribution of assets of LOHT is ever made, the people who support the project will receive this distribution. All of this seems to raise the possibility that the IRS may eventually regard the FLLS merely as a front for the LOHT. You cannot, in principle, achieve tax exemption or tax deductibility just by shufflling paper or interposing a dummy between the donors/investors and the profit-making entity. The money supplied must be a genuine donation and not a disguised or indirect investment. Paul, has all this been cleared with a reputable tax attorney? Is his/her opinion available? As far as I can see, the possible eventual money profit for supporters is so distant in time--20 years or more--that no one is going to be motivated by money anyway. If that is the case, why not forget the for-profit approach altogether and keep it clean and simple? The second question concerns the relation between Paul's organizations and 21st Century Medicine (21CM) and related companies and individuals. Paul says the research of his organizations will not be integrated with that of 21CM "except to cooperate to make sure that results are shared and unnecessary duplication does not occur." What does this mean? Will LOHT share the proprietary information generated by 21CM, and keep that info confidential? Will 21CM pursue profits possibly resulting from research results generated by LOHT? Will LOHT share results, on a timely basis, with people or organizations outside of 21CM? Who will pursue the most promising and potentially most profitable leads? What criteria will be used to decide who pursues what and who pays for what and who gains title to what? Etc. As I recall, Paul asks that these questions be left to the good judgment and good will of the people involved (and presumably their successors). But it is no reflection on these people to note that due diligence excludes that kind of relaxed approach. Of course the achievement of the research goals is more important than any of the questions raised above. Any of us would rather have the research succeed than not, regardless of who profits financially or how benefits are formally shared. But unless the formal and legal status is clear and reasonable, obscurity and friction will interfere with the fund raising. Robert Ettinger Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=8977