X-Message-Number: 9230 From: Thomas Donaldson <> Subject: Re: CryoNet #9214 - #9221 Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 23:52:11 -8000 (PST) Hi everyone! Well, I have a lot to comment on, this time. To Charles Platt: I'm currently in the middle of the INSTITUTE OF NEURAL CRYOBIOLOGY, so I can say a bit more about what is happening. As I understand it, both of the Hardys resigned from FLLT, mainly because of questions raised by several people about them. I'll have to say myself that the Allen Hardy who has been making comments about God's corporations and God's law makes me happy that they haven't got any more connection with Prometheus than as supporters. I will even go so far as to say (I am an atheist) that governments are involved in too many things and it would be nice if we could simply set up a corporation without going through various government agencies. In that sense I even agree with Allen Hardy. But I hardly want to mix up political or social activity with Prometheus! That would make the whole thing fail. As someone who has actually set up a nonprofit corporation, the current laws do make an exception for churches, but unless you hold regular services you're not considered a church. And I don't want to mix up social or political advocacy with Prometheus --- it's hard enough already, and adding on all that extra baggage would make it bound to fail. If you want you may wish to talk a bit with Peter Gouras, who is now one of the Directors of the Institute. As for identity, there is another way to look at it, long term. Yes, I do want to be revived with my identity intact, and that means that many of my memories will survive (if I get what I want). But there is much more: we can remember when we were children, and lacked a lot of the experience and knowledge that we have now. Say we think of someone as they were at age 8, and later at age 80. One is a continuation of the other, but more than just a continuation: the personality of the 80-year old had already been formed in the 8 year-old, but the 80-year old has far more to draw on, in knowledge, feeling, and experience. And so when I am 800, if I ever make that age, I will have a far richer experience and memory to draw on than I could ever have done at 80. Part of that experience, of course, consists of experienceS, but another part is behavior and activities. And at 8000 I would be richer still ... We will try out all kinds of acts which we would not do now. And even our personalities are shaped by our experience: we think of ourselves now as fixed in ways which after hundreds of years we may well discover we were not fixed at all. But whatever we choose to do with ourselves will come out of our own individual pasts, even a change in "personality". In that sense we would become like trees: no one claims that the mature tree isn't the same as the seedling, or (as trees already live for thousands of years) that one living 1000 years is not the same as that seedling. One grew from the other; in our case the continuity may come not directly but by passage of memory and genetics, but there will still be a continuity. Best wishes and long long life to all, Thomas Donaldson Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=9230