X-Message-Number: 9322 From: Thomas Donaldson <> Subject: Re: CryoNet #9284 - #9292 Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 22:44:29 -0800 (PST) To Perry Metzgar, re #9284-9292: You seem to find what I say amusing, but at the same time provide no actual refutation. We all must get our laughs somehow, and I hardly resent your attitude, but perhaps you might wish to think over just how you really feel and think on the issues I raise. Just like a true Turing machine, the Siegelmann device is an intellectual construction only. Why is an infinite tape not laughable while use of infinite decimal numbers is? As for chaos, as someone who has done lots of DEs both by computer and in terms of theorems about their solutions, the issue of chaos for digital computers arises precisely because digital computers do not admit infinite decimal numbers. Naturally chaos takes a while to show itself --- our calculations are approximately true for a while, but differ more and more from reality as we continue them. A machine capable of true real number calculation would obtain perfect accuracy for an indefinite time. And examining this, there is a suggestion that a GOOD NONdigital model (which would have to be specially built) might do better calculations of the movements of bodies in our Solar System than a digital computer model. At least one source of inaccuracy would not be present. However Poincare proved long ago that the equations for more than 2 bodies diverged, so that even a very slight inaccuracy would ultimately fail to predict motions. If these comments continue to amuse you, please be serious for a short time and tell me why. To me it tells me much more about you than about either computers or brains. Best and long long life, Thomas Donaldson Rate This Message: http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/rate.cgi?msg=9322