X-Message-Number: 9491
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 13:37:14 -0700
From: Paul Wakfer <>
Subject: Re: CryoNet #9483 Cheap Storage
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> Message #9484
> Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 20:04:38 +0800
> From: Robert Horley <>
> Subject: Re: CryoNet #9472 - #9483

> And a lot of the price savings
> come from the fact that CI have gone out of their way to develop cheap but
> effective long term storage.

As founder and developer of CryoSpan and being quite familiar with Alcor
storage, I must take exception with this statement. The CI storage
technology and methods may be *as* effective as the dewar storage
technology used by CryoSpan and Alcor (however, I believe that it is
somewhat less so), but a full analysis will show that the amortized
yearly cost of CI storage is at least at high as that of CryoSpan and
Alcor. Certainly, the amount of liquid nitrogen needed per whole body
patient per year is much greater with CI storage (at least double). On
these matters, you might wish to read my debate with Bob Ettinger in
_CryoCare Report_ #9 October 1996. 

What confuses new people is the amount of the capital fund which must be
placed in trust to support the storage. The major reason for the much
larger capital fund for CryoSpan or Alcor storage than for CI storage is
because CryoSpan (actually CryoCare or ACS) and Alcor have a much lower
estimate of the average real income which will be available from that
capital during the many decades or even centuries of storage than does
CI. In addition, CI has been very successful at getting large bequests
to augment their patient care fund. This, of course, implies that the
minimally funded CI patients are being subsidized by those who leave
bequests. Neither CryoCare nor Alcor wish to rely on such bequests to
make their patient care fund viable.

Finally, I would like to state that I am only challenging this point as
a matter of truth and accuracy. I now have no control of the operation
of CryoSpan (nor little interest) and I am no longer a member of
CryoCare. While I would sign up and get frozen by whatever methods were
then avaiable if I became terminal, I am thoroughly disenchanted by
current cryonics. My present interests and activist energies lie in the
areas of extending uninterupted lifespan, and of creating a working
product for "when all else fails" through the perfection of suspended
animation and its adoption by the medical establishment as an elective
operation choosable well before ones terminal conditon reaches highly
damaging levels.

-- Paul --

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