X-Message-Number: 990
Date: 15 Jul 92 10:59:13 EDT
From: Charles Platt <>
Subject: CRYONICS

 
Brian Wowk has a valid point when he says that cryonics 
organizations will be reviving people in the future, and 
therefore my concerns about "Who will bother to revive us?" 
are not justified. However, I think that there is still some 
reason to think that generally speaking, one's chances of 
coming back are slightly greater if there are fewer people 
frozen. 
 
There are many scenarios. I could imagine, for instance, that 
cryonics might become regulated by a federal agency, which 
would impose a limit on the number of resuscitations per 
year. I can also imagine that some cryonics organizations 
could go out of business before all of their patients were 
revived. 
 
There are dozens of other scenarios. They all share the same 
two propositions: 1) It is impossible to predict the future, 
and 2) Generally speaking, a resource in short supply is more 
valuable than a resource that is plentiful. 
 
As for the very good quote from Mike Darwin, pointing out 
that there is strength in numbers: yes, it would be nice to 
reach a point where cryonics is so big and so widely 
accepted, we actually have some clout. It would definitely be 
nice to have some control over autopsies. But how big would 
cryonics have to be to accomplish this? I suggest it would 
have to be an option chosen by at least, say, 1 person in 10. 
If my rough calculations are correct, that would translate 
into more than 3 million freezings per year. It is hard to 
imagine the kind of social upheaval that would be necessary 
to create, and to accommodate, that implementation of 
cryonics. I certainly believe it would cause more problems 
than it would solve. 
 
Lastly, Brian dismisses my concerns about growth making 
cryonics organizations less flexible and more bureaucratic, 
because these general concerns apply to any organization. 
Yes--precisely! And we see their effects. Who would you 
rather be frozen by, Alcor or General Motors? 
 
Personally, I would like to see some cryonics growth, because 
I would feel safer if the organizations were stronger 
financially, and I would like to see more people trained to 
perform the various special tasks involved. To this end, I am 
writing a book which has the potential to attract more 
cryonics members, and I am still pursuing the possibility of 
a cryonics contest in OMNI. I have also signed up to take 
Mike Darwin's introductory course in September. 
 
But I start to feel ambivalent when I imagine Alcor more than 
ten times as big as it is today.  
 
Meanwhile, Saul Kent replied to my points by phone rather 
than by email, and made the excellent point that there are 
two kinds of membership growth: 
 
     1. People in good health who are planning ahead, and who
     have a general belief in cryonics. 
 
     2. People who don't have long to live and join out of
     desperation. 
 
The second group (Saul points out) are a drain on the system. 
They don't live long enough to become activists who will help 
cryonics; instead, very quickly, they need to *be* helped. 
They do bring money in, but (if one believes the calculations 
that Mike Darwin made a year or two ago) the fees charged by 
Alcor do not properly cover all aspects of a suspension, 
especially if there is remote standby. Thus, each new 
suspension is a net financial drain on the organization. In 
addition, remote standbys totally disrupt everyday operations 
at Riverside, for a week or more in each case. 
 
It's worth noting that in several recent suspensions, the 
patients only joined when they knew they had life-threatening 
conditions. Saul feels it would be sensible to apply a 
surcharge to cases such as these, and I find his argument 
persuasive. Otherwise, the same small staff is going to find 
itself overwhelmed with endless "last minute" cases. 
Ultimately these dedicated activists will burn out and there 
will beno one to replace them. 
 
If growth is going to benefit us at all, the growth has to be 
primarily in the number of living members, not frozen ones! 
 
--Charles Platt 

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