2010-03-12T05:30:01-05:00 CryoNet http://www.cryonet.org/cryonet.xml http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/dsp.cgi?msg=32453 2010-03-6T12:43:31+0100

On 6 Mar 2010, at 11:00 AM, CryoNet wrote: She also recommends Quack Watch: http://www.quackwatch.org/04ConsumerEducation/QA/cryonics.html dss David Stodolsky david.stodolsky Skype: davidstodolsky . . .

http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/dsp.cgi?msg=32454 2010-03-6T15:26:35+0100

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http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/dsp.cgi?msg=32455 2010-03-06T13:09:16-0500

Re: the below, I'm sure Rudi just forgot to mention it. Can anyone guess why? :D ++++++++++++ Message #32452 Subject: Re: Rudi's suggestions Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2010 00:30:50 -0500 From: swb1948 In Reply to: . . .

http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/dsp.cgi?msg=32456 2010-03-06T23:50:11-0700

I will only respond to a small portion of Rudi's message, which I am sure he has written to be helpful to current and future cryonicists, even though there is more with which I can take issue - and also agree. This last specifically being with the non-anonymity of one's . . .

http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/dsp.cgi?msg=32457 2010-03-7T09:11:49-0800

The reason this debate is important is that it illustrates the downplaying of the disastrous public relations policy of cryonics companies in (as the public sees it) cutting off people's heads. My good friend Mike (Dr,) Perry has responded to my Cryonet post in another forum. I am replying to . . .

http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/dsp.cgi?msg=32458 2010-03-7T16:49:10-0800

If those who want Alcor to no longer offer neuro get their way, hundreds of cryonicists will be forced to become EX cryos. That is a distinct possibility. Whole body costs 120K dollars or thereabouts. Correct me if I am wrong. Neuro costs 80K and even lower for those of . . .

http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/dsp.cgi?msg=32459 2010-03-7T22:57:34-0500

Hi cryofan, Personally speaking, I wouldn't worry too much about it. Why? Many of Alcor's cases are subsidized through membership dues and donations as an end result of grandfathering. Also, Dave neglects to consider that vitrification solutions used today are VERY expensive, and neuro patients only require a small fraction . . .

http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/dsp.cgi?msg=32460 2010-03-7T23:44:54-0500

Steve Bridge was good enough to point out that one can do "cash funding" with Alcor. And, this is correct with CI as well. And you could even set enough aside to prepay CI, AND Suspended Animation, AND prepaid air ambulance. Of course one can. And if you can do . . .

http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/dsp.cgi?msg=32461 2010-03-8T14:10:01+0000

In post #32459, Mathew Sullivan writes: vitrification solutions used today are VERY expensive, and neuro patients only require a small fraction of what is required for whole body patients."<< Mathew Sullivan neglects to consider that it is not necessary to perfuse the entire body with the expensive vitrification solutions, in . . .

http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/dsp.cgi?msg=32462 2010-03-8T17:29:33+0100

On 8 Mar 2010, at 11:00 AM, CryoNet wrote: It is difficult to draw any conclusion without controlling for the relationship between approval of cryonics and approval of neuro. For example, it could be that people have an overwhelmingly negative reaction to neuro, but those who approve of cryonics don't. . . .

http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/dsp.cgi?msg=32463 2010-03-8T09:35:40-0800

CRYOFAN SAID: If those who want Alcor to no longer offer neuro get their way, hundreds of cryonicists will be forced to become EX cryos. That is a distinct possibility. Whole body costs 120K dollars or thereabouts. Correct me if I am wrong. Neuro costs 80K and even lower for . . .

http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/dsp.cgi?msg=32464 2010-03-8T11:28:32-0800

My understanding of cryobiology is fairly poor, so forgive me if this has already been considered and rejected for some reason. If the PR problem with neuropreservations centers around decapitation but the reason we do neuros at all is out of a confidence that what's important to preserve is brain . . .

http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/dsp.cgi?msg=32465 2010-03-8T13:35:46-0800

Mathew Sullivan has some good points about the Neuro option that I would like to respond to: MATHEW SAID: Also, Dave neglects to consider that vitrification solutions used today are VERY expensive, and neuro patients only require a small fraction of what is required for whole body patients. DAVID: What . . .

http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/dsp.cgi?msg=32466 2010-03-08T15:38:58-0700

[snip of non-related portions] If the variable annuities that I and Paul have were "not considered guaranteed and not suitable for cryonics funding", Alcor would *not* have accepted them for funding our contracts. We conducted fair search and examination of various investment vehicles, including variable annuities available from other companies, . . .

http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/dsp.cgi?msg=32467 2010-03-9T00:07:15-0500

On Mar 8, at 5:00 AM, CryoNet wrote: It's includable Content-Type: text/html; [ AUTOMATICALLY SKIPPING HTML ENCODING! ] . . .

http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/dsp.cgi?msg=32468 2010-03-9T00:29:27-0500

On Mar 8, 2010, <cryofan> Wrote: Why is this matter even worthy of serious debate? What are we supposed to believe, that someday nanotechnology will be able to repair a frozen human brain, the most complex object in the known universe but will be stumped at providing a replacement for . . .

http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/dsp.cgi?msg=32469 2010-03-09T00:47:09-0700

Here are my responses to my good friend David Pizer. > DAVID PIZER: > The reason this debate is important is that it illustrates the downplaying of the disastrous public relations policy of cryonics companies in (as the public sees it) cutting off people's heads. > > My good friend . . .

http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/dsp.cgi?msg=32470 2010-03-9T09:39:04-0500

Kitty--you are right. I am wrong. I stand corrected. Rudi Rudi Richard Hoffman CFP CLU ChFC World's Leading Cryonics Insuror rudihoffman.com Former Board Member Financial Planning Association fpafla.com Board Member Salvation Army salvationarmy.org Member Alcor Life Extension Foundation alcor.org, . . .

http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/dsp.cgi?msg=32471 2010-03-9T22:41:36+0100

On 9 Mar 2010, at 11:00 AM, CryoNet wrote: It could be that people who hear about the neuro option simply write off cryonics as a cult and they never contact any provider. If I hear about some religious group that refuses blood transfusions or other standard medical treatments, I . . .

http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/dsp.cgi?msg=32472 2010-03-9T18:02:44-0500

Dave, the principle issue from which you have spun out on is simply an administrative issue, not the alleged fear of neuro preservation and your erroneous notions about the prospect I would cancel my membership. The fact of the matter is, this is about paperwork, contracts, and ensuring Alcor stays . . .

http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/dsp.cgi?msg=32473 2010-03-9T22:05:44-0800

HoooRahh, Mike! I've been pushing for fixation as a lower quality last resort for the destitute. But Aschwin's idea is sort of an intermediate between room temp fixation and neuro. It has taken me months to warm up to the idea, but I am steadily growing more supportive of it. . . .

http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/dsp.cgi?msg=32474 2010-03-10T11:10:46-0500

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http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/dsp.cgi?msg=32475 2010-03-10T13:09:25-0800

There are several reasons I would like to see isolated brain cryonics put on the market. It sounds like it could be financially as well as psychologically easier for a much wider portion of the population. This could prove pivotal to cryonics gaining more widespread acceptance. A brain doesn't have . . .

http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/dsp.cgi?msg=32476 2010-03-10T17:53:42-0700

Rudi, you are to be commended for acknowledging your error. So many people will not do this and, at most, do not reply at all - if they don't actually continue to defend their erroneous statements. **Kitty Antonik Wakfer MoreLife for the rational - http://morelife.org Reality based tools for more . . .

http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/dsp.cgi?msg=32477 2010-03-11T22:21:47-0700

Some individuals are still attempting to keep certain posters from being read in the CryoNet digest by using "Flamebait" and "Abuse" in ratings of messages. These 2 rating types appear to be able to either override other scores or, by themselves, send a poster into filtered "Siberia". I'm baffled by . . .