X-Message-Number: 23028
Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 01:36:11 -0800
Subject: Re: Libertarianism, Cryonics, Religion
From: Allan Randall <>
Mike,
I found your views on religion and cryonics very interesting. Just to
add to the discussion, I thought I'd summarize my own experiences with
respect to religion, cryonics and transhumanism. I think that any
attempt to create a religious outlet for cryonicists must work both at
creating new organizations of a religious nature that are friendly to
cryonics (eg, WTA, Extropians and Venturism), and also on creating a
more comfortable place for cryonicists in already established religious
organizations. "Religious" here is meant in the broader sense you have
already laid out.
Unitarianism: this is probably the most established religious outlet
for humanists and freethinkers, having a predominantly humanist
emphasis over the last 50 to 100 years. As such, it seems a natural
choice for a transhumanist cryonicist. However, most Unitarian
humanists are not of the "trans" variety, but the more generic variety,
and so there is not currently a large transhumanist element in the
church, at least not one that is organized. I hosted a cryonics panel
and discussion at our church recently. featuring some local cryonics
personalities, and there were some rather hostile reactions by some
church members, although some others were good-naturedly curious (and
at least no one seemed to question the appropriateness of having the
panel in first place). There are some humanist Unitarian ministers
partial to cryonics, but many more of the mortalist stripe. I have been
a Unitarian for a few years now, and there is one other cryonicist (at
least) in my congregation. Unitarianism is noncreedal, and has
affiliate organizations within it for the various belief groups. There
is currently an attempt underway to create an affiliate group for
transhumanists, but it is in the early stages. See:
http://www.tuun.com/. One problem is that Unitarianism has typically
attracted a large number of left-wing liberals, who, statistically
speaking, tend to be heavily on the mortalist side of humanism ('we
desire to die for the good of our children', etc.). However, there is
an affiliate group for classical liberals, who are I think represented
more strongly in the younger generation.
Freemasonry: I am currently applying for membership in a co-masonic
(men and women's) lodge. Traditional male-only freemasonry in North
America has rather stagnated in the last 100 years, but this is not at
all the case in Continental Europe, where Freemasonry is a
fast-growing, thriving, freethinking institution. North American
male-only masonry also has this freethinking element, as well, but it
has a very aging membership and a somewhat out-dated perspective on
what constitutes 'freethinking'. Co-masonry in North America, however,
is based on the European model, and is a very open, freethinking
institution. While a secular institution, Freemasonry has some
religious objectives, when "religious" is defined in a very broad
sense. From what I know, its rituals (broadly religious or spiritual in
nature but not supernatural in content) seem very compatible with the
typical transhumanist / cryonicist world view. (I can elaborate if
there is interest.) Although nonpolitical, Masonry has also (like
cryonics) tended to attract individualistic and libertarian personality
types, due to the nature of their rituals and their organizational
structure. One of the earliest modern advocates of cryonics, Ben
Franklin, was a mason (back when American masonry was more like the
European masonry of today).
The WTA, the Extropy Institute and Venturism are all wonderful outlets,
of course, and already have a strong cryonics element to them. However,
they are also very new and very tiny compared to Unitarianism and
Freemasonry. I think those cryonicists and transhumanists with some
religious or quasi-religious interests may be well served by also
exploring existing institutions, and trying to grow a
transhumanist/cryonics-friendly population within them.
Good luck with Aionism... if you can distill its essence in a list of
principles or somesuch, I'd like to see it. (Might even sign up if I
like what I see...)
Cheers,
Allan
--
Allan Randall, , http://www.elea.org/
"Whatever can be thought of or spoken of necessarily IS, since it is
possible for it to be, but it is not possible for NOTHING to be."
-- Parmenides of Elea, c. 475 B.C.
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