X-Message-Number: 23944
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 09:32:41 -0400
From: Thomas Donaldson <>
Subject: CryoNet #23938 - #23942
Hi everyone!
Some perhaps heterodox (at least for here) opinions on the 2
questions Mike Read asked in the 21 April Cryonet.
1. Total defeat of aging will be a hard problem. I think that we
may well have means that will eventually be seen to double
human lifespan, and used by some humans, in 50 years or less.
Proof that these means do in fact double lifespan will take
at least 100 years... and in practical terms, we'll have to
also deal with various bogus though popular treatments which
turn out NOT to work. However even doubling lifespans does
not totally defeat aging, it merely pushes it off (I note that
even mice calorie restricted before puberty do slowly age and
die, though their aging doesn't happen in the same way as
ordinary mice). I would suggest that it could take as long
as 500 years to eliminate aging and know that we have done
so.
2. Successful suspension, followed by the ability to bring the
suspended person back to a state close to health (ie fix
their heart disease or cancer, but not make them permanently
young) may easily happen in less than 10 years. It may have
even happened by now, though our vitrification methods are
not yet perfect. We'd have to cure the suspendee's illness,
too, of course, which will take varying amounts of time.
The difference between developing successful means for
cryonic suspension and totally defeating death is simple.
If we have successful cryonic suspension, we'll be able to
very quickly prove that we have it, with no questions about
whether the techniques might not work on humans even though
they worked on cats (suppose). Finding even a means to SLOW
aging in human beings, and proving that it works, raises
a problem which suspension does not have: it takes some time
just to prove that a method works. (Various workers have
proposed means to speed up such proof; the problem is that
even if we talk of genetic similarity, human beings are
among the longest-lived mammals and may already, due to
simple natural selection, have gotten the same mechanisms
various scientists are successfully applying to animals.
Even a verifiable test for aging in humans will take some
time to develop (though it would then be a valuable tool):
we'd need to verify it on human subjects, which again would
take some time).
So, even if you're young, the most likely means to someday be
able to use some method which totally defeats aging is to
arrange for your cryonic suspension.
Best wishes and long long life,
Thomas Donaldson
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